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The McCain Moment and the Future of the GOP

Portrait of Theodore Roosevelt by John Singer Sargent

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Of late on the GOP campaign trail talk among the leading contenders has been all about who can best lay claim to being the true heir of the most beloved Republican president in history since the Great Emancipator namely – Ronald Wilson Reagan. And one of the leading Democratic candidates, Barack Obama, has gotten himself into some tepid water within his own party by citing Reagan as a president who changed history. Frank Rich, always a reliable barometer for the state of snarkiness in liberal ranks, was moved Sunday to snort that Ronald Reagan Is Still Dead. Now I've been reading Frank Rich since the early '70s when I was an undergraduate at William & Mary and Frank was a young writer for the raffish Richmond Mercury which he started along with Harvard chums Garrett Epps and Harry Stein (the latter having since become an apostate from the church of modern American liberalism).

But Mr. Rich is on to something here. The old Reagan coalition of national defense hawks, social values conservatives, and anti-tax, pro-growth business advocates, never an easy alliance to begin with, is rent and probably cannot be reconfigured as before. Some of the reasons for this are demographic as outlined in my earlier piece The Coming Democratic Majority? but others have much to do with the party itself as typified by the last eight years come to fruition in the intellectual exhaustion and corruption of the 109th Congress made large by the Abramoff scandal and the rent-seeking of Grover Norquist's K Street Project. Throw in a dramatically worsening economic outlook and the likely prospect of a recession and the future for the GOP this year looks as chilly as today's weather.

But need this all come to pass for the GOP both next year and down the road? The answer is yes if the party buries its head like an ostrich and tries to coast along as the Democrats did until Bill Clinton's leading them from the presidential political barrens with the DLC-inspired "Third Way" in the early '90s. But with John McCain the party has a chance to begin to reconfigure itself and set the underpinnings of what could be a Republican comeback. For guidance as to light the way McCain should, when he gets the nomination as I believe he will, look back a century and take as his sherpas two giants of American political history Republicans Theodore Roosevelt and Senator Robert M. "Fighting Bob" LaFollette of Wisconsin.

Both TR and LaFollette made their political bones challenging the entrenched interests of their times namely the railroad trusts and the other monopolies of America's Gilded Age (does the Justice Department's antitrust division even exist within the Bush DOJ). Their efforts gave us the precursor to the Interstate Commerce Commission and what now is known as the FDA and the Progressive Party founded by TR and later carried on by his sometimes enemy LaFollete remains the most successful in US history although it carries a cautionary tale for today since most of the Roosevelt men later returned to the GOP when the more progressive Charles Evans Hughes was nominated for president in 1916 and later would find themselves in the political wilderness before signing on to the New Deal coalition that would elect FDR in 1932.

The challenge for McCain, as a noted contrarian when it comes to recent GOP orthodoxy, will be to unite the party in the coming election and avoid the fratricide which doomed the original Progressives. He can certainly do this with the defense hawks and his social values stances are squarely within the party for the most part. Where the rub will come, aside from the idiocy of the "build the fence and kick them out" crowd on immigration which recent elections in Virginia proved cannot possibly make a difference on a larger stage, is with the corporate wing of the GOP. But here too he can make his appeal over their heads (where else are they going to go – the Democrats?) with a smart play against larger monopolies that are anti-competitive (witness Bank of America's recent announcement of a bargain basement buy of troubled mortgage lender Countrywide and of course the laughable Telecommunications Act of 1996 which has only fostered noncompetitiveness in the information age) and making an appeal to the Main St. versus Wall St. part of the GOP which Reagan courted and wed so successfully. To prove his bona fides on taxes and spending he should appeal to former GOP Congressman John Kasich, always a reliable fighter against corporate welfare, and Oklahoma Senator Tom Coburn who has joined him in the anti-pork barreling coalition which reached its zenith under the 109th Congress. On taxes he should propose a broad-based carbon tax as a full or partial replacement for the current FICA tax on wage-earners as outlined by Tufts University economist Gilbert Metcalf but stay away from the "cap and trade" part of such a tax proposed by the Democrats which promises only more favor-seeking on K Street.

In summary, Karl Rove thought he was going to rebuild a GOP majority for a generation in taking as his model his hero William McKinley and McKinley's "brain" Mark Hanna. It would highly ironic, to say the least, if instead the new Republican standard bearer looked back not to McKinley but to his heterodox vice president Theodore Roosevelt as the beacon to light the way.

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{"commentId":1388793,"authorDomain":"bluecollarbytes"}

I'm sure I'm no different than many who dislike McCain's liberal tendencies, but who'll vote for him if that's what we end up with.

But....-'the idiocy of the "build the fence and kick them out"'-crowd sounds like an easy pot shot, like the many taken by Bush to McCain, when a majority of Americans finally screamed out enough. Illegal immigration is a major issue that impacts the lives of millions of citizens. In the argument, as in most, two extremes are the ones that get air time. But I could certainly mention the idiocy of leaving our borders open, granting blanket amnesty to the millions of illegals here, setting up the next 10-20 years for a new wave of 20-30 million more {or more} illegals flooding our country, transforming more jobs into ones "Americans refuse to do", overwhelming our social services, educational institutions, and a taboo mention here...changing the fabric of America.

There's seems to be a sense among our elite that whatever comes down the road, we the people are expected to eat it. All things, all concerns, get sacrificed at the alter of "free market forces" or "Globalization". If we become alarmed that 1 in 7 born in Mexico are now living here, we're called racists, not because we are, but simply because the standard lines politicians and business interests have relied on for years doesn't wash anymore. Picking tomatoes may be a job "Americans refuse to do". I "assure" you that millions of construction, mechanical, factory, mining, and other blue collar categories are jobs that citizens want. What's been happening at the "street level" is that millions of illegals have been transforming normal career paths for uneducated/undereducated citizens into opportunities for illegals. Anyone is free to consider this a good thing. But it ignores Supply and Demand, within legal confines. Last time I checked, it's illegal for illegals to take a job, or be hired in the States. Obviously if we rely on an inexhaustible supply of dirt cheap labor, the cost of that labor goes down. This MAY have the effect of short term gain in somewhat lower prices on things that utilize illegal workers. The longer term harm, destroying whole industries that used to employ citizens, and the mushrooming burden on tax-payer financed services. And what of the many more millions to come here illegally if we don't get a handle on it now? I'm convinced that what we've seen to date in numbers will look like a trickle 10-20 years from now. Mexico is one country south of the border. We've currently got illegals entering from many Latin-American countries.

From the start of this nation we've controlled our destiny, or made the attempt. It's a natural thing countries do. There's nothing inherently evil or racist in it. If you or anyone else knows of a precedent where we've allowed a carte blanche illegal immigration of millions entering the U.S., while doing next to nothing about it, I'd like to know.

Personally I don't believe we're going to kick anyone out, other than perhaps the worst of the criminal element. I'm not looking for that and I don't believe most "anti-amnesty" folks are. What we want and demand is that we treat this as the severe problem it is, that we stop the invasion, and force those wishing to immigrate to do so legally.

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Reply#1 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:43 AM EST
{"commentId":1388987,"authorDomain":"cliffpotter"}

Actually, BC, I agree with most of what you say in this comment! I am against amnesty except with respect to individually identifiable issues that makes deportation inappropriate.

I have the same view regarding immigration as I have for all of our laws. If they are not there to be enforced, then they should not be there. We should pursue an immigration policy consistent with the way it has been enforced for everyone for decades. No more and no less.

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#1.1 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:38 AM EST
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{"commentId":1388886,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

Look, I think we should enforce our borders too but the dirty little not-so-secret is that American business likes cheap foreign labor be it illegal or otherwise. We're just kidding ourselves if we think that's not so and it's been going on now for close to thirty years. And neither is it about "Americans won't do this kind of work" either. Here in the NoVA area there are armies of Latino construction workers in jobs that used to be manned by guys from rural counties in the Shenandoah Valley where I grew up. One of the reasons there aren't as many of the latter any more is because general contractors can hire the former cheaper. It's that simple. Until we're willing to get really tough on the businesses that hire illegals we're not going to stop the flow of them no matter how many fences/walls we put up. Take away the demand and the supply will dwindle. It's simple market economics at work.

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Reply#2 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:10 AM EST
{"commentId":1389341,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

Bill - McCain supported amnesty last year - it's that simple.

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  • 1 vote
#2.1 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:14 PM EST
{"commentId":1389557,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

Lisa, I'd agree if you called it "amnesty with conditions". Ronald Reagan supported essentially the position of McCain on Bush when this came up 22 years ago. Ed Meese tells the tale.

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  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:18 PM EST
{"commentId":1389601,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

Bill-2.2- contrary to popular opinion - I do not agree with everything Reagan or Bush ever did.....amnesty - o.k. ok. "with conditions" whatever ---is tops among those issues with which I disagreed. Anyhoo---conservatism is by no means dead in this country.....we've just had a coupla bozos enter the race this election cycle that have caused our coalition to splinter....namely Huckabee & McCain---and the late entry strategies of Thompson & Giuliani aggravated the situation. We can be brought back together again....but not by McCain.....I believe that Blaise said this best:

"McCain won't unite the Conservatives, he can't: he's not exactly a Conservative"

Yes, Blaise…you can say that again.

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#2.3 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:33 PM EST
{"commentId":1389683,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

Heh. I wouldn't want to rely on Blaise on advice as to what conservatives should do. The same type of charges that are being levelled against McCain were also made against Poppy Bush. This is still a center-right country but it's a lot less center-right than it was nearly 30 years ago and if the Republicans don't adapt to what I'm talking about both here and in my previous article they're in for a long stay in the wilderness.

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#2.4 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:55 PM EST
{"commentId":1389813,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

Bill - I disagree....if Hillary or Obama manage to win ---I don't see either of them going more than one term imho. And PS - Poppy Bush got knocked out after only one term.

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#2.5 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:38 PM EST
{"commentId":1389833,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

Not much evidence to base that supposition on, Lisa. WJC lost the House in a landslide in '94 and still beat Dole soundly.

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  • 2 votes
#2.6 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:44 PM EST
{"commentId":1389964,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

Bill - I disagree completely with the platform of the dem party -whether it is delivered to us by either Hill or Obama.....I give the platform one term if GOD help us they manage to win in November.

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  • 1 vote
#2.7 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:19 PM EST
{"commentId":1391395,"authorDomain":"bluecollarbytes"}

I know about that dirty little secret, and frankly I don't care. I'm in a position and have been for years where I could have used many illegals, making more money in the process. I've never used one of them. Beyond general reasons involving lack of craftsmanship, {a problem that plagues all areas of of construction regardless of citizenship, ethnicity, etc.}, I realized illegals are in no way entitled to take advantage of job opportunities.

If illegals ever start to enter professional white collar fields in significant numbers, the outcry from lawyers, doctors, managers, etc. who feel downward pressure on earnings and positional opportunities will dwarf what we've heard from the 'lazy spoiled' uneducated workers.

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    #2.8 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:26 PM EST
    {"commentId":1391403,"authorDomain":"bluecollarbytes"}

    One more thing....it's 'simple market forces' OUTSIDE the confines of the law.

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      #2.9 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:28 PM EST
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      {"commentId":1388902,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

      Bill - so you're a McCain guy, eh? I despise McCain based on his performance for umpteen years in the senate----He's nothing more than a career politician - and his voting record speaks for itself. If he gets the GOP nomination it will be ONLY due to his appeal to independent voters and the media. He has done far far to much in the past 8 years alone to leave a very bad taste in the mouth of conservatives. The Reagan co-alition has been splintered ----but I believe that there are others still in the field who would do better trying to put back together the house that Reagan built. McCain is wrong on taxes, he is wrong on immigration, he is only PARTLY right on the war, he is wrong on freedom of speech/campaign finance reform and the list goes on and on and on. NO WAY, John McCain....no way!

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      Reply#3 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:16 AM EST
      {"commentId":1389003,"authorDomain":"cliffpotter"}

      lisaed - Is your best anti-McCain argument that I might vote for him over Obama in November?

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      #3.1 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:42 AM EST
      {"commentId":1389519,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

      Cliff - I don't know you that well - but I'm doubtful that you would vote for any GOP nominee over the dem nominee in 08....am I right? And also - this is primary season---I'm not too focused on who you are going to vote for in November.....

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      #3.2 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:08 PM EST
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      {"commentId":1389050,"authorDomain":"blai"}

      The Republican Party has badly lost its way, but more importantly, it has backed its way into the clearly marked minefield. In their search to regain the lost "greatness" of Reagan, they seek an illusion. It was never as good as it seemed under Reagan, and the Republicans mourn him overmuch. They thought they had another Reagan in Bush the Dumber. Boy were they wrong.

      Conservatives and Republicans no longer overlap to the degree they once did. McCain won't unite the Conservatives, he can't: he's not exactly a Conservative. He's exhibited too much bipartisanship, and his honesty is repellent in some quarters, especially the corporate executive suites. Where TR and LaFollette championed the common man, the current Republican looks far more like a Tory.

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      Reply#4 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:54 AM EST
      {"commentId":1389118,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

      Well, my point is where are the "executive suites" going to go? The Democrats? I think not. If the GOP doesn't wise up the only hope they have is that the Democrats, as usual, will overrreach and find their hold on both the WH and the Congress short-lived. Rangel's "workingman's tax cut" plan does no such thing. As Greg Mankiw notes, it merely redistributes income from the hedge fund managers, etc. to the doctors, lawyers, etc. Does virtually nothing for the bottom 75% because most of the income taxes collected by the IRS aren't collected there to begin with.

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      #4.1 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:11 PM EST
      {"commentId":1389196,"authorDomain":"blai"}

      The suits in the executive suites have had their day in the sun with Bushco, Inc. As these suits represent their stockholders, they may be a bit busy 'splainin' away the fall in the stock prices. I do not feel sorry for their exile to the wilderness.

      The Progressives of today have little in common with TR and those of his day. There's a tale of John D Rockefeller playing golf with his buddies. As they bemoaned the breakup of Standard Oil, Rockefeller cheerfully advised them to buy all the Standard Oil stock they could. When Standard Oil was split up, Rockefeller's already stupendous wealth was multiplied several times, I think by four or five.

      I'm not sure the Rangel proposal has legs. I read the link provided, and it seems several steps are missing, or perhaps I'm expected to understand certain givens. The AMT is a nightmare, I'm punished by it. I don't mind paying taxes, but the AMT is an onerous system.

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        #4.2 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:31 PM EST
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        {"commentId":1389071,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

        Lisa, the point of the article is that the Reagan coalition cannot be rebuilt. It's gone forever. The country has changed a lot since 1980 for the reasons I alluded to in my earlier article linked in this one about the trendlines favoring the Democrats. The current GOP reminds me of the GOP of the 1920s, especially the holdovers in the senior leadership in the Congress from the disaster that was the 109th. And you know what happened to the GOP in 1932 right? Twenty years in the presidential wildnerness followed.

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        Reply#5 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:02 PM EST
        {"commentId":1389306,"authorDomain":"fechancellor"}

        First, Bill, great piece that stirred up some incisive comments that brings me to this realization, there's no one in the Republican Race that can pull the Reagan Coalition together. Let's take it by the numbers...

        1) McCain: Wrong on Immigration and Enforcement, Wrong on McCain/Feingold campaign funding, Wrong on the definition of torture. Weak on Abortion. I'm afraid to ask where he is on gay rights. McCain goes to Democrats like John Kerry to work on National Security Issues and Teddy Kennedy to work on Immigration. The final nail to me is McCain says he's a Maverick, but what he is is over emotional and too flip in my judgement to have the capacity to lead. The most damning I can say about Senator McCain is his support with Independents is soft, while his past record with Evangelicals will keep this must have Republican Group at home or voting Democrat for their populist bash the rich message.

        2) Rudy: Rudy is wrong of Immigration, wrong of Abortion, wrong Gay Marriage. Further, the NYT piece last night shows him to be a petty and small man silencing dissent against him from the people and media of New York by any means necessary that would make a White House Plumber gasp for air. If Rudy becomes President, the FBI will be a Rudy Goon Squad squashing dissent. Also, Rudy will not carry Conservative Catholics and the next USDOJ shoe could drop on Bernie Kerik at any time. If Rudy gets the nomination, the Democrats will tear him apart.

        3) Bishop Romney: Nothing keeps Evangelicals at home like a Mormon. Further, Mitt is new to the anti-Abortion movement, which means that Bishop Romney has an ideological conflict as to what type a nominee would make the correct Conservative Justice for the Supreme Court. As Duncan Hunter says, Bishop Romney's holding company wants to buy a US Defense Contractor with a Chinese Defense Contractor. We've seen the Clintons sell off the crown jewels of DOE and NASA to China for suit case cash. Romney just takes this to a higher level. Finally, our people came over from Europe to get away from Regent Based Religion. Would Ben Franklin and Alexander Hamilton vote for a man that was and is a Bishop in his church? I think the answer to that question is self-evident!

        4) Reverend Huckabee: Wrong on Immigration with his give scholarships to college age children of illegals. Reverend Huckabee is a soft conservative and a populist. What really concerns me about the Reverend is his need to pardon prisoners at a rapid clip in Arkansas. This tells me that Reverend Huckabee is like many preachers, a moralist that cannot stay away from making moral judgements while in office. In fact, Reverend Huckabee seeks out these judgements to confirm his belief that he knows better than everyone else including juries in his state. The most damning thing I can say about Reverend Huckabee is his willingness to talk about Jesus in a political context. This is divisive language that the Democrats have on tape, meaning they will us this against Huckabee and Republicans during the general election. As I have said many times, "This is One Nation Under God, Indivisible with Liberty and Justice for All!" ...And never forget, Our money says, "In God We Trust," and there is no "Jesus Money" in this country.

        I cannot vote for any candidate Republican or Democrat this time. I am actively looking at alternatives to either pick an existing third party or to form one.

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        • 1 vote
        #5.1 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:05 PM EST
        {"commentId":1389340,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

        I'm sure the Democrats will appreciate that Dave.

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          #5.2 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:14 PM EST
          {"commentId":1389352,"authorDomain":"cliffpotter"}

          5.1 - FC - What third party candidate would you support?

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            #5.3 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:17 PM EST
            {"commentId":1389371,"authorDomain":"fechancellor"}

            Cliff, I don't know yet. As I said, I'm casting about for a Leader that represents many of my values that are Conservative in the main. A person that calls for more Freedom of the Individual and less government is a candidate I can support.

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            • 1 vote
            #5.4 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:22 PM EST
            {"commentId":1389394,"authorDomain":"fechancellor"}

            Bill, what you have to understand is the Democrats are already working their opposition research and keeping statements and video from the Campaign Trail. I don't sell Dr. Dean and his staff short over there at the DNC on this very serious matter of partisan politics. It will be all too easy to show any of the remaining Republcans as contradicted on many of the main issues of the campaign and their character flaws.

            If the DNC doesn't pull the trigger, there will be Soros financed 527s to really "pull a train" on any one of these candidates in the Spring, Summer and Fall.

            The word up I'm giving is to Republicans like you, Bill, so you will know what to expect on down the line.

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            • 1 vote
            #5.5 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:29 PM EST
            {"commentId":1389497,"authorDomain":"acidreflux"}
            The final nail to me is McCain says he's a Maverick, but what he is is over emotional and too flip in my judgement to have the capacity to lead.

            Because "leading" means "doing exactly what fechancellor thinks should be done?"

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            • 3 votes
            #5.6 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:00 PM EST
            {"commentId":1391070,"authorDomain":"fechancellor"}

            AdipicAcid:

            You know it's tough for folks with an education in Political Science not to talk down to those bloggers that believe their opines are just as good as anyone else's politics.

            What I was talking about with McCain is something akin to Judicial Temperment. I call it Presidential Temperment, and in McCain's case he is too caustic and spastic to trust in the Oval.

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            • 1 vote
            #5.7 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:50 PM EST
            {"commentId":1391918,"authorDomain":"acidreflux"}

            Thanks for proving my point, in spades.

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            • 1 vote
            #5.8 - Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:03 AM EST
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            {"commentId":1389079,"authorDomain":"walketim"}

            I'm so disappointed that McCain is even a possibility. The guy is a jerk who wouldn't even support the people of Arizona when he was the Governor. I see McCain as 3 Dubyas.

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              Reply#6 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:03 PM EST
              {"commentId":1389208,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}
              The guy is a jerk who wouldn't even support the people of Arizona when he was the Governor.

              That could be because he never was governor...

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              • 2 votes
              #6.1 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:33 PM EST
              {"commentId":1389240,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

              "Get smarter here!" That's our motto, Adam. ;>0

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              • 1 vote
              #6.2 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:43 PM EST
              {"commentId":1389502,"authorDomain":"acidreflux"}

              I was wondering when I'd missed that particular election.

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              • 1 vote
              #6.3 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:01 PM EST
              {"commentId":1389575,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

              I think that was in '86. You know, the year Reagan favored an illegal alien "amnesty" bill virtually identical to the one put forward by the president and McCain?

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              • 1 vote
              #6.4 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:23 PM EST
              {"commentId":1389709,"authorDomain":"acidreflux"}

              Ah, 86. A fine year. I was sweating Linear Algebra and pretty much dead to the world. I think I might have missed a global thermonuclear war if one had occurred then.

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              #6.5 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:05 PM EST
              {"commentId":1389737,"authorDomain":"walketim"}

              My apologies, I meant Senator from Arizona. I guess I was confused with his evil twin Gov. Owens. Point is the same, he is a representative of a free state threatening the people of his own state with Federal rule. There is NO PLACE for someone like that in the Whitehouse.

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                #6.6 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:16 PM EST
                {"commentId":1395664,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

                I am listening to Fox and Friends where McCain is a guest in few minutes and he already called Jerks to the anchors.

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                #6.7 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:03 AM EST
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                {"commentId":1389693,"authorDomain":"JStranahan"}

                Good article Bill.

                I enjoyed your insights.

                As to where corporate America will cast their votes could get very interesting if Bloomberg gets in the race. Sure, he's a former Dem, but I think they'd (the CEOs) feel that he at least understands them.

                Do you think Micheal B. will jump in the race?

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                Reply#7 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:58 PM EST
                {"commentId":1389708,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

                I'd say no. Yeah, he's well-know here in the NE - mid-Atlantic corridor but not much outside that. And he's got all the charisma of a dead fish. He's said the only way he runs is if he has a chance to win and I just can't see that at this point.

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                #7.1 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:04 PM EST
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                {"commentId":1389839,"authorDomain":"walketim"}

                Do you personally know anybody that would vote for McCain? He's such a pathetic boob. Kind of like voting for Bill O or Rush L for president...might fool some of the people some of the time. Bill, you seem intelligent, tell me you're not a McCain fan? Tell me that you think having a federal government tyrant at the helm could somehow be a good thing for this country?

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                  Reply#8 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:46 PM EST
                  {"commentId":1389970,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

                  TBone - I ruled McCain out in 2000 -and for the same reasons (and more) as then I'm not about to embrace him now.

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                  #8.1 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:21 PM EST
                  {"commentId":1389984,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

                  I supported Thompson but I'm also a realist and will support anyone in the GOP (other than that Bible thumping rube Huckleberry) over this year's field of Democrats. I'm pretty liberal on social issues so I could care less about where McCain stands on those. The fact is that the Reagan paradigm simply doesn't fit any more. When Reagan was running in '80 the top tax rates were confiscatory. People still don't like tax increases but you're not going to sell a repeated mantra of tax cuts and reduction in spending to a public that knows (or should know) you're bull@!$%#ting them. No more proof is needed than the record of Bush and 109th Congress in this regard. They spent like Ted Kennedy on a three day drunk from the '80s.

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                  #8.2 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:24 PM EST
                  {"commentId":1390005,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

                  Bill - I refuse to look toward the general as yet.....to me, it's what the GOP voters do right NOW that matters.

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                  #8.3 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:29 PM EST
                  {"commentId":1390240,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

                  Well Lisa, you're not going to be very excited choosing between Mitt Romney and McCain then I suspect.

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                  #8.4 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:31 PM EST
                  {"commentId":1390573,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

                  Bill-I'm trying very hard in general not just with you here to withhold any further judgments until after FLA/Super Tuesday on the GOP race---think I can do it?

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                  #8.5 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:02 PM EST
                  {"commentId":1390875,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

                  I have confidence in you Lisa. ;>0

                  You might want to read this piece by National Review contributor John O'Sullivan before you write off McCain entirely:

                  But the Republican candidates are hardly less flummoxed by a GOP primary process that is now in effect a contest to find another Reagan.

                  Their first problem with Reagan is that he is the great man beside whom they are all bound to look like pygmies until they gain power and, thus, the chance to match his achievements (and doubtful even then). Their attempt to resemble Reagan inevitably diminishes them. Their other problem is they cannot sensibly answer the question: what would Reagan do?

                  They tend to fall back on the reply: what he did last time. But as various conservative intellectuals - David Frum in the new book Comeback, Victor Hanson Davis on National Review Online - have pointed out, that answer is misleading because Reagan was dealing with very different problems from those of 2008.

                  We have to ask instead: what made him a different kind of political leader? William Kristol in The Weekly Standard argues rightly that Reagan differed from most leaders and all the present candidates in being the leader of both a political party and an ideological conservative movement.

                  The same is true, incidentally, of Thatcher and John Howard. It explains why they could act more boldly than most (directionless) leaders but also why their supporters trusted them when they compromised.

                  None of the three, however, was an original political thinker or a rigid ideologist imposing a prefabricated project on their nations: that is a typical left-wing misinterpretation of Thatcherism in particular. They were courageous and principled leaders applying practical conservative solutions to the problems of hyper-inflation, economic over-regulation and the Soviet advance that had been thrown at them by history. As it happened, their solutions turned out to be the right ones. But they were elicited by the problems as much as springing from conservatism.

                  The point I was trying to make in this article is that times have changed a lot since Reagan's day and it's foolish to simply invoke his name when dealing with a whole different set of challenges.

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                  #8.6 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:50 PM EST
                  {"commentId":1392795,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

                  Bill - I appreciate your point of view I really do.....and I agree with the points you posted above about Reagan----but when Barack Obama can compare himself to Reagan you can bet the members of the GOP field will do same. I'm not saying it's right---just the way it is. Bill, frankly I'm surprised to see you supporting McCain ---surely you are not being swayed by those pesky national polls? I believe it's way too soon for any of us to be looking at them seriously.

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                  #8.7 - Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:06 PM EST
                  {"commentId":1392934,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

                  Uh, no. I supported McCain in '00 too although I disagree with him vehemently on campaign finance reform that has done nothing positive and has only exacerbated the influence of the various 501 and 527c's. I've got big, big problems with the corporate end of the GOP, Lisa. In the same way that Reagan went too far with the Garn-St. Germain Act that was the primary vehicle for the S&L debacle, the lack of oversight from the federal bank examiners in the mortgage mess has led to the current looming meltdown as well.

                  The Democrats will, of course, overreact but if this recession turns out to be as bad I think it might be an electoral trainwreck of historic magnitude is in the offing next year for the Republicans.

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                  #8.8 - Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:47 PM EST
                  {"commentId":1393005,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

                  Bill - I think the Clintons and the media are all too anxious to be able to say "It's the economy, stupid"......that one little line that so helped whisk Bill into the white house. I'm certainly no expert but the so called expert I heard this morning (and I know everyone has a different opinion on this) on some CNBC financial spot said he did not believe we are in a free fall to recession. PS -I've known you all this time and didn't know you supported McCain in 00....how is that possible? And now this all makes sense.....

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                  #8.9 - Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:07 PM EST
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                  {"commentId":1391006,"authorDomain":"ForestBrowne"}

                  Bill, nicely put together article, but I would hate to see you jump, spur of the moment into a McCain future when he has several things going against him. As we can see the newest topic is the economy, and it will continue to be, and McCain's ability to understand the economy in any reasonable fashion simply leads him into S&L mistaken support he's already given.

                  In my opinion he will stick to his security is everything rant until he's passed by Mitt and crushed by his well paid and run election team that puts forth the best Republican product you will see this year. The Republicans will be swayed by his money and his business acumen, which will be the best chance the Republican party will have this year.

                  It's all about the money, we saw Thompson drop out, thank god, as he has no money. We see Giuliani in desperate straits in Florida, currently running third and soon to be out, the rest will see their fates written on the strings of money that will dry up.

                  Personally I thought McCain had the best speech after his win in New Hampshire and the best I've heard so far. Super Tuesday is on it's way and the political machine that is Mitt's candidacy will give him many results like he had in Nevada where he will be able to afford to compete throughout all the states, most of his competitors will fall by the wayside long before he runs out of money.

                  I'm surprised that you support McCain when clearly he's still muddled up with the rest of them.

                  Forest

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                  Reply#9 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:35 PM EST
                  {"commentId":1391062,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

                  Forest, I will never understand why people think that the "businessman" model is apt to work in the political sector. Perot was the first to peddle this snakeoil, then Bush and now Romney. Politics is all about building alliances and compromising, traits generally not found in CEOs. Romney's certainly got the money to continue the process regardless of what happens down the road but somehow I don't think he's going to close this sale. I think there's a lot more truth in Huckabee's statement that people would rather vote for someone who appears like a man they can see having a beer with than someone who seems more like the slicked-up, powerpointed corporate schmuck who laid them off with a smile on his face and jargon on his lips.

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                  #9.1 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:48 PM EST
                  {"commentId":1391291,"authorDomain":"ForestBrowne"}

                  Frankly it's the best chance they have especially with the economy going in the tank...something to believe in pal. In the end it won't be enough as the dems will most assuredly get out the vote. It does come down to the rah rah's in the end...who gets to the polls in a general election and things would have to get pretty dicey before the public will accept it.

                  Let's not forget Bush I's legacy on his failed election..."It's the economy stupid"....and it's the only chance they'll have because no one is going to let Bush attack Iran without a significant blowback with impeachment not being beyond the pale for retribution. Amazing how fast they can put those things together when there seems to be partisan support and there will be.

                  We could always wager though, and I'm probably right when it comes to Clinton at the same time....great money great organization probably means victory. Check out Nevada again where she beat Obama solidly by 6%.

                  I don't know if you watched the debate last night but I believe if these three are what the Dem's a stuck with there was no doubt about who won and who was smarter. The fact that we can't elect a real candidate for change is indicative of how lost we have become.

                  Forest

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                  #9.2 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:50 PM EST
                  {"commentId":1392380,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

                  Forest, I've already got one wager going with Killfile and that's enough. Let's just say that I agree with you as to which party's likely to win if the GOP doesn't go with McCain.

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                  #9.3 - Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:07 AM EST
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                  {"commentId":1391043,"authorDomain":"walketim"}

                  Seriously. These career politicians. This is the best America can produce? Where's Perot when you need him?

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                    Reply#10 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:45 PM EST
                    {"commentId":1391507,"authorDomain":"bluecollarbytes"}

                    I remember the Reagan amnesty bill, meant to correct the problem from that time forward. The one in 07 was meant to do the same thing, from 07 onward. If McCain and Dems or Hillary or Obama and Dems push one through we'll be looking at the next one in 10-20 years.

                    The American people have generally been asleep on this problem, except that as more and more citizens are impacted by it one way or the other they've been waking up.

                    By the way, I'm not into guaranteed wage, minimum wage, "equal" pay for "equal" work, or unions {except in some types of work like coal mining where lives can be risked a little to easily at times}. I don't believe in keeping all industries afloat, but do believe some are critical to our long term security, NOT for the purpose of keeping "well-paying" jobs around.

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                      Reply#11 - Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:04 AM EST
                      {"commentId":1395673,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

                      Probably when the late President Reagan gave amnesty to the illegals they were the hard working class, now we have gangs and criminals growing up in this country and taking a lot of the free services.

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                        #11.1 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:07 AM EST
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                        {"commentId":1391761,"authorDomain":"azsky13"}

                        As a life-long democrat, this has been an interesting look at the other side. I agree with you that McCain will be the nominee. And I also believe that he could win.

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                        Reply#12 - Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:32 AM EST
                        {"commentId":1392373,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

                        Thanks. I'd been thinking this one over for some time and was finally spurred to write it by all the talk among the GOP as to should be Reagan's next heir and also by the views of many in the party that McCain's not conservative enough to bear the party's standard. This despite the fact that Reagan wasn't nearly as orthodox as many of his supporters would suppose both on the question of what to do about illegal immigration but more importantly how the problems facing this country, as seen from a conservative standpoint, are different than the ones Reagan faced. The party has gone lock, stock and barrel over to the Wall Street moneyed-interest crowd just as they did in the 1920s and we all know what happened as a result of this. And neither should we lose sight of the fact that for a good portion of his adult life Reagan was a Democrat and Roosevelt man whose party left him not vice versa.

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                        Reply#13 - Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:05 AM EST
                        {"commentId":1392798,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

                        Bill - what are the chances of a McCain-Thompson ticket in your book?

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                        #13.1 - Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:08 PM EST
                        {"commentId":1392938,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

                        Slim. McCain needs a younger governor who could help him in a swing state if gets the nominee. Tim Pawlenty of MN comes to mind. Maybe former Congressman Rob Portman of OH or my personal favorite former OH representative John Kasich.

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                        #13.2 - Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:49 PM EST
                        {"commentId":1393007,"authorDomain":"azsky13"}

                        I think his VP choice will be Pawlenty. But, as much as I would like to see him leave Minnesota, I hate to think of him as only a heartbeat away from the presidency. But, that's just the perspective of a disgruntled democrat. You'all probably would love him! :)

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                          #13.3 - Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:08 PM EST
                          {"commentId":1393013,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

                          Bill - well, I am pleased to hear you say that cause I don't like the rumors I'm hearing on that front. I do enjoy John Kasich as political commentator.

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                          #13.4 - Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:10 PM EST
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                          {"commentId":1516164,"authorDomain":"vas"}

                          Bill, I've made a decision. I'm going to stop reading your comments and start reading your articles. On my watch list. Nice job.

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                          Reply#14 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:31 PM EST
                          {"commentId":1518499,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

                          Gotta take the good with the "bad", Vas. ;>0 Thanks.

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                          #14.1 - Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:19 PM EST
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