Honey, I Lost My Job -- Now Bring Me My Bible, My Rifle and Get Them Mexicans Off the Porch!!

Actually, I was looking for a third quote beneath JC and BO. Preferably something from either Iron John or from Jack Handey. Either would've been soooo apropos.....

Jay:

The implication of his remarks is that he considers people who cling to any set of beliefs, positive or negative, as doing so because they are unable to rationalize the situation .... [emphasis added]

Where do you get the "any"? I read the transcript and it seemed to me he was very specifically talking about the Republican party's cynical exploitation of the culturally conservative iconic issues of "God, Guns and Gays" to keep white proletarians voting against their own political-economic interests.

Jack - "...exploitation..."

Saying that people are so stupid to be exploited, people who themselves say they are being exploited, is somehow elitist.

Cletus:

Yeah? So? Not saying it is to yield to exploitation anyway so what difference does it make? Saying it at least lays the groundwork for a more general recognition of the phenomena .

Fact is, the Republicans are never going to overturn Roe v. Wade and the Democrats are never going to overturn the 2nd Amendment.

I know that, you know it, Jay K knows it, lilorphant knows it, gbudavid knows it, Bill knows it, Blaise knows it, Yussef knows it, Bill Kristol knows it, Hillary Clinton knows it, John McCain knows it, Barack Obama knows it and most of the audience to whom Obama was speaking knows it.

When enough of the public knows it, things will change.

Jack- "Yeah? So? ..."

My one liners are frequently lacking. With the 'somehow' word, I was trying to demonstrate that their elitist claim here is really reaching.

Cletus:

Oooops. Sorry.

Oh well, got a good comment out of it at least.

Yes, you did.

I liked Kristol's article. Not all of his conclusions, of course, but I'm reading Audacity of Hope, and he sounds pretty big on NAFTA in the section I'm reading. The GOP is trying to make a big deal about Obama's expressed desire to amend it. I don't see it as a contradiction.

Jack - 2.1 - not all "white proletariats" believe that the democratic party is best able to save them from themselves....and not all "white proletariats" believe that bigger government programs are the solution to every economic woe.

Fact is, the Republicans are never going to overturn Roe v. Wade and the Democrats are never going to overturn the 2nd Amendment.

Jack - 2.3 - but the President has a major impact on which supreme court judges make it to the bench.....judges that favor for example partial birth abortion (vote Obama!); judges who may weaken 2nd amendment rights.....etc etc. Cultural issues in this country much to the chagrin of elitist liberals like barack obama DO MATTER because we love our country, our consitution and the moral values on which this great nation was founded....and it is the GOP ---more specifically conservative elements of the GOP that best aligns with these concerns shared by millions of Americans---what the dems like to denigrate by calling "wedge" issues.

lisa:

not all "white proletariats" believe that the democratic party is best able to save them from themselves....and not all "white proletariats" believe that bigger government programs are the solution to every economic woe.

I completely and totally agree. I don't even mind if Obama loses as long as he makes the case. If I didn't think he could win by making the case, I would not support him--what I'm saying is, I don't mind losing so much if my case is made in the process.

I can live with a Presaident McCain for four years if I have to in those circumstances. What I hate is having to live with it if the best case isn't made for my position because my party is all tying itself in knots worried about these shallow and self-defeating tactical manuevers.

concerns shared by millions of Americans

That's the whole point, lisaed.

Large numbers of US citizens have been duped through commercial and "news" overload into focusing disproportionately on issues that are relatively harmless for the people and organizations actually calling the shots.

What you call "concerns" are actually nothing but a side show in the big Carny. Abortion is a non-issue, gun rights are a non-issue, "out-of-control" crime is a non-issue, assisted suicide is a non-issue, illegal immigration is a non-issue. Please note that I'm talking about the real future of the country, not the imaginations of a lot of PR consultants and lobbyists at work creating all the misunderstandings and old wives tales that people love to believe and complain about. That's entertainment, not reality.

And that's one of the real big issues. The US is losing its way. People are losing their critical senses after decades of assault by mindless consumerism and the "concerns" of the GOP. I think most Americans would agree with me that something is badly wrong and not just with the economy. This has nothing whatever to do with any "wedge" and has nothing to do with any "elite", it has to do with education and the simple fact that the US is reaping the reward of decades of sub-decent public schooling.

People don't read, can't listen carefully to things that are "difficult" and instantly flee into a make believe land of angelic guardians and conversations with the dear departed. They believe in talking snakes. They believe that the world is less than 10,000 years old.

You seem quite happy with this state of affairs. I think you should be very worried.

lisa:

but the President has a major impact on which supreme court judges make it to the bench..

Doesn't matter. I've heard that same argument for TWENTY-EIGHT years and 7 of the 9 justices are Republican-appointed and it still hasn't happened.

Elite Republicans do not want Roe v. Wade overturned, and that includes McCain. If he has to, he'll name a pro-Choicer (although he's more likely to name a "moderate" pro-Lifer who magically becomes the fifth vote as has happened repeatedly over the last 28 years).

I completely and totally agree.

Jack - 2.9 - in all honesty it's a thrill for yours truly - the charming conservative- whenever you agree with me--especially when it's "completely and totally".......this coming from my favorite lib - as I recall you used to refer to your commentary on your column as "elite", no?

Jack -2.11- I'm not so worried about McCain getting elected and overturning Roe V. Wade as I am Obama getting elected and choosing SCOTUS judges who do not support life....and when your candidate is out there saying things like "punish with a baby" it does get pro-life types all up in a frenzy......those people were never going to vote for Obama ---but they also may no longer be so luke warm re: McCain when a vote for McCain becomes more a vote against Obama.

lisa:

Yup. "Liberal Socialist Elite Commentary." There is a difference between "elite" and "elitist," though.

:^{)>

Speaking of pro-Lifers, you going to Mass at Yankee stadium?

Jack 2.14- Unfortunately, no, I won't be going to Yankee stadium for mass but feel quite blessed as I know I've mentioned before to have been at the Vatican for Pope Benedict's first Palm Sunday mass....it was an enormous thrill I will never forget.

lisa:

At least watch out for traffic and such. If you've ever around when any President is in town .... this is ten times worse.

Isn't McCain also for keeping Roe v. Wade?

TJG:

He was. But now he's not.

He's riding the Crooked Talk Local.

At least Obama sticks to his beliefs.

You sound like one of them there elitists boy.

He's riding the Crooked Talk Local.

Jack -2.18- now now - aren't you being a tad disingenous with TJG here? I thought you and I already established yesterday that McCain will not overturn Roe V. Wade.....

lisa:

Oh, I do believe that. But he's going try to leave a false impression otherwise. That be Crooked Talk.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustration."

Maybe his Barackness means ... Like when he was under fire how he clung to and is still clinging to his Pastor's strange and novel Religion ...that has a "justified" antipathy toward people like the Small town, PA. "Typicals"?

Maybe if they could join his church and hear a few sermons about "Typicals", like he did didn't,... they wouldn't have to be so unjustifiably "Bitter"? They might even wanna turn in their guns at the church door.

If Obama's the nominee he probably just delivered PA to McCain this fall.

Polishing the Old Crystal Ball, Bill?

Bookmarked for future reference!

I totally agree with #4.5---Barack Obama is a pious fraud who does not really connect with mainstream middle class America when he is not reciting from his political script. I am a lifetime democrat who did not vote for Obama in the primary because I have more confidence in Hillary Clinton. If Hillary Clinton does not win as the democratic nominee, I will switch to John McCain in the general election because I don't trust Barack Obama's leadership. I think John McCain will move towards the center in the general election which is why he will appeal to most Independents. Obama has copied John Edwards' and Hillary Clinton's ideas on the issues, so why vote for Obama. I don't think Obama is genuine and I don't trust him. All I heard from Obama in the beginning of the campaign was his version of Dr. Martin Luther King's inspirational speech and saying he was going to "Change" Washington. After he realized he needed more substance on issues to sell himself is when he started copying John Edwards and Hillary Clinton.

"more substance on issues"

That's the mantra, but from what I read he has more substance than any of the other candidates. I'm saying this based on comparisons of the candidates websites where their platforms are laid out. (Also, from the book Audacity of Hope.

The response from GOPers i that he should be saying this stuff in his speeches. Maybe he does? How would we know based on what the media reports?

What I can't abide is a pious one.

Bill - 4.5 - Agreed.....and it's when he is under fire that Obama's nose-in-the-air piety best comes out---if he wins the nomination - as I'm sure he will - I think we're going to get to see that far less appealing side of Obama a lot more frequently than we have heretofore.

That's fair criticism, Bill.

Let's compare

How does McCain propose to pay for continuing the war?

These are very important observations and a much needed compliment to this discussion.

In 1996-98 the suicide rate for males over 15 years of age was nearly 80 percent higher in rural areas than in large metropolitan counties.

This is, of course, directly correlated to the odds that there is at least one firearm in the household. The rule of thumb is that in most regions of the US the presence of a gun in the household correlates with an increase in the risk of a male in the household committing suicide by a factor of 50:1.

This statement isn't elitist, either, although it might be very uncomfortable to think about. It's simply true.

These are very important observations and a much needed compliment to this discussion.

In 1996-98 the suicide rate for males over 15 years of age was nearly 80 percent higher in rural areas than in large metropolitan counties. This is, of course, directly correlated to the odds that there is at least one firearm in the household. The rule of thumb is that in most regions of the US the presence of a gun in the household correlates with an increase in the risk of a male in the household committing suicide by a factor of 50:1.

This statement isn't elitist, either, although it might be very uncomfortable to think about. It's simply true.

Yea ,it's also true that in urban areas most of those males are killed by driveby shootings and gang violence...not having the option to take their own lives.

Likewise, the odds are that most urban guns are illegal and on the streets...and not in the home....making you feel safer there [home]......although it may be "uncomfortable" to think about sitting by a window.

Just curious: Is that what you are basing your stand on? Your Bible and your Guns?

Yep. The Bible and Hunting and fishing

Excellent.

Really, what more is there to say about this?

they'll teach your kid the Flintstones really did have dinosaurs to vacuum their floors.

This would be even more hilarious if it weren't true. Kills some of the joke, I'd say.

BlaiseP -

You do this so well, damn, I'm jealous.

"It's this kind of attitude from Democrats that has ensured their near permanent exclusion..."

Come off of it, GOPers have been calling Dem voters stupid for a long time too.

The more Obama talks the more you see who the man really is.....

First...he was referring to small town America.....in case you some of you don't realize it, thats code word for White people..... Middle Class, Lower Middle Class and Po' White folk. It'd take a blind man not to see that ( no disrespect intended towards the visually impaired )

Second...the connotation of the word "clinging" is negative, all the clean up effort Obama can muster cannot change the connotation of that word. Whenever the term "cling" is used it infers insecurity i.e security blankets and teddy bears or clingy people

Third...Religion is not something people cling to because of negative reasons but something they embrace because of the value it adds to our lives...all of us, Black White White and rich. When disaster comes and problems beset us, if anything the challenge is holding on to our faith despite the storms of our lives, not blaming God. Examples of that could be seen post Katrina...were people clinging or were they praying hoping and believing?

Fourth....People are not upset with illegal immigration as a result of being bitter about their own lives but rather because illegal immigration is having a real and dynamic impact on our nations cities ...far more than it has on small town America. The school system and the Health Care systems are tremendously overburdened in Southern California. Martin Luther King County Hospital, a hospital in the Black Community was shut down with a big part of the reason being that it was too overburdened to run effectively. Overburdened by massive amounts of illegal immigrants. My wife, qualified and hardworking and efficient as she is could not get a permanent "office" position in any school in the LA School District simply because EVERY position has a bilingual requirement. Please note I said "office"....translated, that means not dealing with Spanish speaking students or their parents. Is that the fault of immigration or illegal immigrants?...No but it is the fault of over zealous over sensitive cow towing liberal politicians who enact policies to get votes and appear as do gooders

Fifth - If honest citizens give up their guns, then only criminals will have them. Thats more of a big city problem than a small town one. In fact the 50+ deaths in the Chicago schools in the 1st 2 months of this year make any discussion of guns by Obama nothing more than pandering to social liberal extremists. Guns in fact have far more negative impact in the Black community than any small town in America on any day of the week notwithstanding the rare and horrific exceptions of Columbine, Virgina Tech and the like

Conclusion- Obama along with his wife, are racists, functioning racists but nevertheless racists at heart. They faithfully attend a church where the messages even if not always, are too often racist in content and at the very least laden with racial overtones. The church invites Black Muslims as guest speakers. If you didn't know it already allow me to inform you that Black Muslim doctrine states that White people are devils, Jews are not to be trusted and Black people should be separate have their own land set apart as a Black nation here in America. This is why that church gave Farrakhan a lifetime achievement award obviously they believe in many of the same things.

No matter how you slice it, if you slice it as I just have...the two terms stand on their own merit "small town" and "clinging" are dead giveaways of what he really meant...And to make those comments in San Francisco... what better place would there be for him to be relaxed enough to express the frustration of his heart due to the tremendous pressure he feels in his efforts to appeal to small town America. Amidst a group of San Fransican ultra liberals where those comments play right into extremist liberal sentiments....Obama felt right at home and got a little too relaxed. He must've thought he was at Trinity :-)

No doubt about it.....Obama's remarks were condescending and showed what he really thinks about White people

You post is shot through with misunderstandings and half-truths that glide over into deceptions.

People are not upset with illegal immigration as a result of being bitter about their own lives

That is precisely why most people who are "bitter" about immigration are upset. Not all, most.

I dunno, Bill. Las Vegas and Worshigtoon Dee Cee prove magicians can draw in the rubes like nothing else in town. Both are towns based on the proposition What is Seen is far more important than What is Known. And like the aircraft pulling up landing gear after a run down 27 Left out of McCarran Innernashunal Airport, full of freshly shorn human sheep, the Republican Party is full of idiots intent on repeating their mistakes as soon as they've got some more money in the credit cards.

If we really must examine this matter of Attitudes, look at the idiots who voted for these Republicans. A repeated lie flashed in Hi-Def on a marquee is a far more effective than a metric ton of statistics showing the house always wins. The Republicans have been comping drinks and rooms with Tax Cuts, showing what Great Hosts they are. A happy drunk goes on believing right up until his credit card is declined. Then the Repubs will talk about Personal Responsibility, yes sir, and he'll walk back to McCarran.

Yes, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, and the Republican Rube is proof positive this country has always preferred the glitzy lie to uncomfortable truths. And that's not just this generation, Bill. Every Conservative in this country, without exception, has been kissing unwashed ass since the era of Reagan. Show them the facts, and they'll cling to their idiocy ever tighter, screaming Jack Booted Thugs are Comin' to Take Mah Guns Away and Get Them Mexicans Off the Porch. I would hate to think you could be lumped into this camp, for you exhibit so much common sense in other areas. Why does this glaring deficiency emerge in your thinking?

The Turks have a saying: Doğru söyleyeni dokuz köyden kovarlar.. The man who tells the truth is exiled from nine villages. That proverb goes back centuries to the Ottoman Empire. It's as true today as ever, and it will be true for centuries to come.

Charles-254901, WOW, you said it right in every paragraph, spot-on. These statements are especially true:

First...he was referring to small town America.....in case you some of you don't realize it, thats code word for White people..... Middle Class, Lower Middle Class and Po' White folk.

Amidst a group of San Fransican ultra liberals where those comments play right into extremist liberal sentiments....Obama felt right at home and got a little too relaxed. He must've thought he was at Trinity :-)

No doubt about it.....Obama's remarks were condescending and showed what he really thinks about White people

In all the comments I've made in the past few days against His ASSumed Holiness Obama, I have wanted to state what you said, in essence, and never got around to it, but you are absolutely right that when he says "small town America" he is referring to us "pathetic" white people.

God help his wretched soul if he so easily forgets that when he was sent home from Indonesia by his flaming liberal mom, it was his white American grandparents who sent him to the elite and very expensive Punahou Prep School. But wait, no, all he remembers (or publicly acknowledges) about his grandma is her one little comment that sometimes black guys passing her on the street make her nervous. He disgusts me thoroughly.

Thanks for your clarity and boldness!

Thanks....I'm just tired of people painting this guy like he's some kind of perfect savior. Especially when you line all the facts up and see them for what they are.

Citing his church as a typical Black church...that nonsense broke the camels back as far as I'm concerned.

I took that as not only a lie but a stereotypical racist type casting of Black people and I truly and deeply resent it.

Black muslims are not welcomed to give messages in typical black churches. Devout Christians don't reward Black Muslim bigotry no more than a white church should reward David Duke.
Pastors don't curse America and use God's name in vain in typical Black churches.

And he should be ashamed to say that typical white women are scared of black people.

Too many lies and contradictions for my taste..... therefore I see an Obama presidency as a problem for not only Black people but for the People.

Let us pretend, in the interests of avoiding endless repetition, that I have again given my stump speech about Ronald Reagan's treachery and shallowness in that little matter of selling arms to Iran, then and now the greatest threat to America since Communism. Suffice to say Joe Stalin was sincerely mourned by the citizenry of the Soviet Union. Like Reagan, Stalin destroyed his country in the interests of saving it. America would get its hangover during the administration of Bush the Wiser after Reagan's colossal fiscal toot. That old fraud set in motion much we see today, and his deputies obscenely reappeared in the current Bush Administration, notably Elliot Abrams, who should be in the next cell over from Aldrich Ames instead of running ME policy for State.

I wouldn't know about calling Obama a Big Tax and Spender just yet. That's the purview of the Congress, which may find it more politically palatable to raise taxes on oil and pharma companies which prospered mightily under the current administration. He's also talking a good line on cracking down on offshore corporations, ever the darling of the Republicans. A Bonfire of the Vanities is in the offing: for every reaction there is an equal and opposite reaction.

The Republicans are moral bankrupts. They are as I have described them, moreover may I add cowards and toadies to the list of epithets. They will not fight the war on terror, they have presided over the greatest moral decline in this nation's long history. It would not be quite so ignominious a tumble were it not for their Much Speaking on the subject of Morality and Fiscal Discipline.

Yes, it does come down to what sort of country we wish to live in. When Truman proposed a national health care system, who should appear as the spokesman for the status quo? Yes, Ronald Reagan, warning us of the perils of Socialized Medicine.

Fearmongers were they always, fearmongers are they now. Eventually, after enough terrification, any life form will exhaust the adrenaline and enter a form of shell shock and passivity. Republicans have depended on this phenomenon since that traitor Ronald Reagan first told us our own government was the enemy. In a perverse turn of fate, under the Republicans, our government has become the enemy, it spies on us, and revokes our Fourth Amendment rights. Don't say we weren't warned.

ugh

BLAISE-#7--Never thought I'd agree with you, but I do !! 100% Amazing.

And Charles---'small town' is a code word for 'small town' In case you haven't been through the south, southeast, or southwest, there are many, multiracial, mid & low income towns abounding there. Further, I don't believe at all that Obama or his wife are racists. But I do think that a higher percentage of blacks are racists (in a negative way) than are whites.

Bill-thanks for beginning the discussion. I think that you are incorrect. And I think that you began this discussion just to bash Obama. Failed miserably.

Charles, re 7.10, and Bill 7.11, we are in complete agreement.

Well stated, both of you. Good thoughts.

I second that ugh

charles: "he was referring to small town America.....in case you some of you don't realize it, thats code word for White people."

wasn't the question he was asked about, why small town America doesn't vote for him?

True, he shoulda given a non-answer, SOP for politicians.

retlaw; 'small town' is a code word for 'small town'

Everyone in the world except you seems to realize that Black voters mean Black voters whether they're in a small town, a suburb or a big city and "small town America" means small mostly white towns across the nation.

Yet and still are the words "cling to their religion" just words?

He can't escape of excuse the fact that It's the negative connotation of the word "clinging", a word which never denotes anything admirable or positive and always denotes neediness and insecurity that gives us the glimpse of the true intent of his comments.

So how does a self proclaimed devout Christian call embracing one's faith clinging to religion.

Add to that those comments were made in fronto of ultra liberal San Francisco fat cats to raise money...the man clearly just got too relaxed.

True people are fed up not only in small towns but all over the nation but I submit to you He would have never made that particular statement in that manner were he actually in small town America, the way he made that statement in Frisco.

Some of you need to quit making excuses for the man just as he needs to quit making excuses for his pastor. let them make their own excuses and give their own reasons for the words they say.

But please remember, they're not "Just Words"

"Mr. Obama's comments suggests that rural families are the only jobless, gun carrying, bible toting, anti-immagrant people in the country."

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If I say "The Fascists are idiots", that doesn't necessarily suggest that the Communists aren't also idiots. (For example)

No, but the point is that you just lumped all of them together and said that they all believe for the same reason.

"... you just lumped all of them together and said that they all believe for the same reason."

I wasn't trying to. There are multiple reasons for being an idiot.

John,

thank you. I've been looking for this.

Where'd you get it from?

Well Bill....how is the glass bubble? You are actually going to tell me that where you live everything has only gotten better since the 70's, horsepucky! In no manner fashion manner of form is it better. In the real world where most of us live real wages have gone down since the seventies not up and not once. Forgive my not living by you pal but most people can't agree with globalization being a better thing except perhaps China and in a more touching way India who are thrilled to take jobs that can be better performed here.

There is also the chance that you perhaps don't understand that when we give the cheapest labor to these other countries they suffer for it. Over 200 million Chinese labor away at jobs that are literally killing them because they don't have an enforceable force to make sure the factories aren't run in such a way so as to poison them to death pal.

We fix things here, make the products here locally and they can take care of their own, but when we entice them into manufacturing for us to their detriment how has that helped. Talk to me about a living wage, you know what that is Bill right? A reasonable wage for a reasonable days work so people can own a house, send their kids to college and retire comfortably. Ask yourself if that doesn't pay for the more local companies to charge more to the end user. The dollar would still be worth more, sorry that almost all of our growth comes from international business, mostly in third world countries, but the fact remains they don't need our business to become 1st tier countries, but rather just time.

If I follow your line of thinking Bill I would clearly have stats for you about how many of our children are doing well in high school, and further and more importantly college. That's not really happening is it, and it's not happening because the jobs that all globalization pushers are talking about haven't been defined nor have they been for the last 30 years. Listen to businessmen from India expound to us the virtues of them doing our dirty work for us and listen to the irony in my voice. They expect us to come up with all new technology that everyone will need and that will create this utopia of jobs. It won't but it most certainly will make them stronger and us weaker in a fiscal and societal sense.

This will be a blip in history in the near future as robots will finally take the load of any physical labor from us, but there is no need to participate in what is a human crisis to get there. You want to beware of someone Bill, make that Japan who has spent billions of dollars investing in what any critical thinker will be a business that dwarfs computers, watch for the commercial filmed inside one of their car dealerships with the car and Asimo in it, we will purchase them from there.

Perhaps we could agree that we want to do as little damage along the way Bill and stop trying put global multinationals up on a pedestal where they most certainly don't belong. As far as I'm concerned you can take all these candidates and throw them away as none of them seems to have anything resembling vision only in what we would term as personal power and those kind of people worry me.

Forest

I lived in Virginia when my dad was stationed at Langley pal, but they still pluck chickens even here out in old Oregon, a considerable amount in fact. A large amount of them are Mexicans, but I see you missed my point completely Bill, are you saying that people who work on chicken farms are somehow inferior to you and your fellow Virginians.

My point stands as usual with you Bill is that farms run to a higher standard, you know Bill free range chickens, done correctly and on a smaller scale creates healthier food, and healthier chickens. At the same time you can charge more because they are of a better quality and in that cost will be added a living wage. Simple Bill, perhaps you should read it slower.

As to even tempered Virginians Bill why don't you just mosey on over to Oregon and find out what even tempered country boys are like. Oh and the Allegheny's are hills compared out here to where we have real mountains.

Forest: "Bill Clinton for pushing NAFTA"

For the record: "NAFTA was initially pursued by politicians in the United States and Canada supportive of free trade, led by Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, U.S. President George H. W. Bush, and the Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

It may, in fact, become His Baracksness's "macaca" moment.

Bill Harrison 12.1- Yes - it may well be. The day's of the "closed" fundraiser are over....and barack should have been smart enough to know that.

You're dreaming if you think any Democrat, sick of the direction of this country, will vote for more of the same with McCain. He might have been a 'maverick' in 2000, but not so much anymore. He's kowtowed to Bush.

TJG 12.3 - democrats may not vote for McCain in large numbers (though I do think Reagan dems may indeed find him more appealing than radical leftist Obama)- but remember it's those pesky independents who will determine this election WILL.

You're dreaming if you think any Democrat, sick of the direction of this country, will vote for more of the same with McCain. He might have been a 'maverick' in 2000, but not so much anymore

LOONYLEFT____OBAMA_____Hillary__*_{center}_McCain_______RadicalRIGHT

Party aside ...Who [candidate] looks like an alternative?
Most of Hillarys support lies in this area *...[Which is flexible]....Most of Obama's support lies farther to the Left.
They [Far Left] will not be able to stomach McCain.
But they may have to. That's no dream.

Excellent essay, Marypoppin'caps.

Very well said.

Thank you for your thoughts.

I enjoyed reading them.

A fine read, Mary.

I disagree with about 90% of what you said and enjoyed the hell out of reading it.