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Karl Rove's Legacy Died in the Desert and Was Buried On Wall Street

President Bush's approval ratings.

John McCain's standing in the polls versus the S&P 500.

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Although he denies it, it is often said that Karl Rove's political idol is Mark Hanna the Ohio political boss who was the power behind the throne of William McKinley's presidency which ushered in an era of GOP predominance in the White House that lasted from the turn of the old century to FDR's election in 1932. What is not in dispute is the hope that Rove had for building an enduring Republican majority for the first part of the twenty-first century. This majority was to be built on holding onto the old Reagan Democrats on cultural issues and reaching out to potentially new GOP voters among more successful Latinos and he wanted to use big government to do it. This was to be the essence of "compassionate conservatism".

So Rove and Bush never made any concerted effort to tackle the spending side of the equation in their budgets and Bush most tellingly never saw fit to raise his veto pen when the profligate 109th Congress was porking and corrupting its way into oblivion. The Social Security reform plan was designed to appeal (as it should have) to younger voters and move them into the GOP column by allowing them to invest a portion of their FICA withholding taxes in private accounts which over a lifetime of work would have provided the basis for real wealth as opposed to the pittance returned by Treasury securities in traditional SS. The Medicare Prescription Drug Bill, the largest expansion of a federal entitlement program since Medicare's adoption in 1965, was likewise designed to expand government to the betterment of the GOP politically. And now the dream lies amidst the likely rubble that will be the results electorally for the GOP on Tuesday November 4th.

Now it is arguable that there are many reasons for this. The difficulty of any party retaining its dominance for a period of nearly thirty years as has been enjoyed by the Republicans since Reagan's first term. And most importantly an economic situation that in its severity always cuts against the party holding the White House. Yet I believe the primary reason is one thing and one thing only and that is the Iraq war. Because while Iraq is now tenuously looking much better and which as a result has taken this issue (the worst for Obama) off the table for the most part as a political issue the war itself is what drove George Bush's approval ratings into the cellar and along with them much of the GOP's as well. As Iraq exploded in 2005 any political capital the president had would remained deployed to try and shore up support in the Congress for the war and keep Iraq from turning into another Vietnam. That he succeeded in this against long odds is to his everlasting credit but it bankrupted him for the domestic arena and the attempt to reform Social Security.

How much of the failure of US policy in Iraq prior to the turnaround in '06 can be placed at Rove's feet? That's an open question that will only be answered by historians down the round but I believe a hint might be available now. Rove assumed his position as Deputy Chief of Staff for domestic affairs shortly after the president's second inaugural. In that position he was to have a policymaking role for all matters related to domestic affairs including the economy. While I have no proof to back up my suspicions it would seem to follow that instead of reasonably asking for some sacrifices from the American people from a financial standpoint in order to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Rove's idea of a "guns and butter" approach would have been wholly in keeping in what he considered to be the key to keeping voters happy with the GOP brand. Further, how much can the Fed's disastrous cheap money policies which contributed to the inflation of the housing bubble be attributed to Rove? Again, I honestly don't know but what I do know is that this administration's penchant for borrowing has been enormous.

Unfortuntately for him, John McCain's shoehorning into the Rove box has proven an uncomfortable fit. McCain, whose instincts are more Rooseveltian (Teddy) than Rovian, in order to placate GOP mossbacks, has been forced into a schizoid general election campaign that echos as a pale imitation of the same old same old standby Bush has practiced. Instead of swinging for the fences with a truly audacious plan like calling for a broadly based carbon tax to be offset by cuts in FICA taxes that would have the dual benefit of both spurring investment in alternative energy sources and giving working and middle class taxpayers real relief from the most regressive of our taxes, McCain is losing the tax issue to a Democrat which is something unheard of for a Republican. And McCain finds himself falling in the polls virtually in lockstep with the decline in the equities markets. Maybe this was simply too much for McCain to overcome but there is no denying that he missed a signal opportunity to point the party in a new direction as I pointed out nearly ten months ago in The McCain Moment and the Future of the GOP. So in this election cycle Republicans find themselves of being in a position to hope only for classic overreach on the part of Democrats that might restore their hopes in 2010's midterm elections. It's a far cry from the high hopes that Karl Rove and George Bush believed was theirs for the taking eight years ago.

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The vertical yellow line in the top graph represents election day 2004.

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Reply#1 - Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:53 AM EDT
{"commentId":3719820,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}

Excellent piece, Bill.  I couldn't agree more.  Rove has failed; Big Government Conservatism has failed.  We need to come up with a more cohesive, sensible, and responsible strategy for the future.

It's a shame McCain decided to go the Rove-route.  He would have done so much better just being McCain...

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  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:32 PM EDT
{"commentId":3727159,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

Well, actually part of the problem is that Rove didn't go the Rove route at least insofar as using the Rev. Wright issue to define Obama which was a completely legitimate issue. But yes in not reaching out more to independents with a more bold economic plan he chose poorly.

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#1.2 - Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:08 PM EDT
{"commentId":3728979,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}

My take on McCain is that people have always been drawn to him for who he is.  He was popular for his seeming honesty, his independence, etc.  Going the route he did, especially the half-assed negative route (he is and always will be too-obviously uncomfortable in those shoes to be effective) hurt him more than anything.

McCain should have just been McCain, picked who he wanted as VP, and just gone with it.  Just rolled the dice...

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  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:56 PM EDT
{"commentId":3736785,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

Possibly. But one must also keep in mind that there were (and are) many in the party who have never liked McCain are probably not all that much discomfited that he is likely to lose. It's not that these people were going to vote for Obama but that they would (and will) simply stay home. Had McCain chosen a pro-choice running mate like Joe Lieberman or Tom Ridge while that choice might have appealed to independents it would have set off a floor fight at the convention. McCain had to try and find a way to thread the needle and he thought he'd done that in choosing Palin.

But the larger problem for his campaign is that he simply let too many opportunities to attack Obama on legitimate issues pass or mount insufficient attacks on them and here I'm thinking of Fannie and Freddie, the Wright business and Obama's seemingly having no problems with Bill Ayers's crackpot "theories" on education which are at their roots neo-Marxist and anti-American.

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  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
{"commentId":3737655,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}

McCain did not present a very compelling case, ever, for himself or against his opponent.  That is, indeed, the larger problem.

Don't you think he could have picked Romney, though, instead of Palin and come away much stronger?  He might not have excited the base as much, but he would have been so much stronger on economic issues, still basically a conservative (one wonders at his history, of course, but still...)

Palin was simply too risky.

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#1.5 - Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:21 PM EDT
{"commentId":3738021,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

I don't know. Romney's kind of a walking caricature of the GOP plutocrat although that portrait is very misleading. My personal preference would have been for him to go with a Tim Pawlenty or even better a John Kasich but that's all water under the bridge now. While I have reservations about Gov. Palin the media-bias against her (as indeed has been it's whole going in the tank for Barry O) has been jaw-dropping.

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#1.6 - Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:36 PM EDT
{"commentId":3738303,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}

While I have reservations about Gov. Palin the media-bias against her (as indeed has been it's whole going in the tank for Barry O) has been jaw-dropping.

To say the least.  You're right, though.  It is water under the bridge....

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#1.7 - Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:47 PM EDT
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{"commentId":3716997,"authorDomain":"ThreeCents"}

Bill,

Very interesting article.  I appreciate your analysis.  I am not hoping for a classic overreach by anyone that comes to power in November.  On your seconds graphic, are there are corresponding data to show Obama approval rating along with McCains and the S&P 500?

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  • 1 vote
Reply#2 - Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:08 PM EDT
{"commentId":3717116,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

Bill:

Irony of ironies, Mark Hanna accidently created Teddy Roosevelt as the unintended consequence of trying to marginalize him. Rove accidently destroyed McCain by trying to elevate the McCain wing of the GOP to indefinite prominence--immigration reform being the shining example.

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Reply#3 - Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:15 PM EDT
{"commentId":3736881,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

Jack, one of the very interesting things about this campaign is that the issue of immigration hardly ever came up after it played a somewhat prominent role in the Democratic nominating process early on. My guess is that neither candidate wanted to bring it up much lest more nativist sentiment in both parties get animated. What is clear is that McCain's anti-mainstream GOP position on "amnesty" has not gotten him any traction with Latinos.

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  • 3 votes
#3.1 - Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:48 AM EDT
{"commentId":3738977,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

Bill:

What is clear is that McCain's anti-mainstream GOP position on "amnesty" has not gotten him any traction with Latinos.

The opposite, actually, looking at current polling. The anti-immigration forces in the Republican party may have just done to the party nationally what Pete Wilson did to it in California with Prop 86 back in the day. I'm not saying that as an insult, simply describing what I think I see happening. In fact, I'm probably more "nativist" than you are.

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#3.2 - Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:14 PM EDT
{"commentId":3739741,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

Jack, are you trying to say that the McCain-Kennedy bill on immigration reform is mainstream GOP? I'm a little confused. For the most part the "mainstream" GOP position is "build a fence and arrest 'em all send 'em back."

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  • 3 votes
#3.3 - Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
{"commentId":3740663,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

Bill:

No, the reverse. Since opposition to McCain-Kennedy was centered in the Republicahn party (the House Caucus in particular), McCain got tagged with the GOP label on that despite being largely in opposition to his own party on it.

Those tags and stereotypes matter if they stick, whatever the truth of falsehood. If I'm not mistaken, only one Republican has won statewide high office since Prop 86--Arnold, who is himself an immigrant.

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  • 2 votes
#3.4 - Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
{"commentId":3740846,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}

In fact, I'm probably more "nativist" than you are.

Hmmm...didn't peg either of you as "nativists" per say.  Too practical...but then again, what do I know?

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  • 2 votes
#3.5 - Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:29 PM EDT
{"commentId":3741460,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

E.D.:

I'd say Bill is anti-nativist, but I should let him speak for himself.

Sustainable nation-states need binding agents. Religion, compact geography, ethnic homogenaity, linguistics, whatever. There's lots of different such agents, but nations gotta have something. Thus, I think the USA must have English as it's primary language. I also favor an immigration moratorium, not because I'm nativist or anti-immigrant, it's that the USA has always done immigration in spurts and stops. Big wave followed by consolidation, another wave, etc.

If we're going to regularize the 12 million or so illegals, most of whom do not speak English--and that's a lead pipe cinch no matter who wins the White House next week--we have to take a breath and do it right.

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  • 3 votes
#3.6 - Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:56 PM EDT
{"commentId":3741909,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

My position is essentially that of Michael Barone's who wrote a very good book on this. The flow needs to be stanched to allow for those already here to assimilate as did earlier waves of immigrants. The recession will take care of this to some extent and here in NoVA we're already seeing a shrinkage of the Latino population convergent with the slowdown in the construction industry. The situation prior where you have huge concentrations of people who neither speak nor write English and exist within enclaves cut off from the larger population is very, very bad for the idea of a nation built on immigration. Politically Jack is correct in that McCain couldn't make more of his contra-GOP mainstream position on this issue without risking his support among the mossbacks I wrote of earlier.

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#3.7 - Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
{"commentId":3742318,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}

So essentially you agree with one another--immigration is fine if done properly in 'waves' but one must turn off the spigot at some point (sounds reminiscent of the Fed and its easy money policies, actually...hmmm...)

I agree.  I think the added immigrant labor can be hugely beneficial but there must be sanity in the process or we will start to see the "enclave" non-English areas grow, which is frighteningly similar to the cut-off Algerian neighborhoods of France or other failed immigration issues in Europe.

But how to turn off the spigot?

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  • 4 votes
#3.8 - Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
{"commentId":3743634,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

Well you start by enforcing the immigration laws on the books and that includes penalizing business for hiring illegals. You then start forcing people to learn English or they don't get state benefits. You don't do it by kowtowing to every Latino "rights" group like La Raza and Lulac and the like as the Democrats are wont to do.

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#3.9 - Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:23 PM EDT
{"commentId":3744434,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}

Bravo to that!  What these groups don't realize is that by requiring standards we actually prop up their chances to succeed.  I think we need to fund the enforcement of the laws already on the books, too, and do some serious rethinking about how we screen entry at border crossings.  The fence is just silly, when the real problem of both human and drug trafficking occurs at the crossings, not through the desert.

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  • 2 votes
#3.10 - Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:56 PM EDT
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{"commentId":3717230,"authorDomain":"levato76"}

im stunned bill, an admission that something could possibly be askew with the gop from you is incredible

and i agree mccain should have never sold his soul to the bush campaign crew

in the primaries i recall i said that from the republican side only mccain was worth wasting time listening to then poof all that vanished when he won and he turned his back on himself he became even worse than all the others

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    Reply#4 - Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:21 PM EDT
    {"commentId":3719704,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

    I don't think you've been reading my columns very often as I've written about the problems within the GOP coalition many times. But that's for dropping by.

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    • 1 vote
    #4.1 - Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":3717544,"authorDomain":"caltha-palustris"}

    Excellent article, Bill. Let "Rovian" politics collapse with a whimper. 

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    • 3 votes
    Reply#5 - Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:38 PM EDT
    {"commentId":3718593,"authorDomain":"mightyblogger"}

    Nah in history Karl Rove will be considered a champion of democracy - for ending the radical reign and divisional tactics of the GOP once and for all. ;_)

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    • 2 votes
    #5.1 - Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:31 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":3718216,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}

    Interesting article.

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    • 1 vote
    Reply#6 - Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:13 PM EDT
    {"commentId":3719234,"authorDomain":"jcunningha"}

    Yes he may be gone but his brand of politics seems to live on through the McCain/Palin campaign, only thing is the voting public is on to it this go around.

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    • 1 vote
    Reply#7 - Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:02 PM EDT
    {"commentId":3729596,"authorDomain":"Bor"}

    If you plot the DOW vs Polls, you will see something interesting.

    From Sep. 15 2008.

    To spare you time I give you a hint.

    The higher the polls on Obama the lover the DOW.

    Coincidence?

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    • 1 vote
    Reply#8 - Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:33 PM EDT
    {"commentId":3729760,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

    Bor:

    Coincidence?

    Yup!!

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    #8.1 - Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:46 PM EDT
    {"commentId":3730013,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}

    Reverse your logic, Borderline.  The lower the DOW, the more people want to vote for the Democratic nominee.  It's a vote of no-confidence for the ruling Party, who quite frankly deserves no confidence.

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    #8.2 - Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:06 PM EDT
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